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	<title>Comments on: Converting Digital Camera Raw Files to the Dng Format using Adobe Photoshop Lightroom</title>
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		<title>By: lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank u very much, Dave!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank u very much, Dave!</p>
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		<title>By: David Marx</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Marx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Lisa,

This is confusing stuff and you are on the right track.  Metadata is any textual information added to a digital image.  

By converting to the Dng file format this textual information-- your copyright for example--can be stored along with the raw sensor data inside of each file.  Raw files in proprietary, meaning camera brand specific, formats cannot hold this sort of text internally.  Since they can&#039;t store the info internally these files need a sidecar xmp file, think of it as a post-it note, to hold important information.

This internal vs. external metadata storage is a property of the file&#039;s themselves regardless of what image management software you use.  What makes Lightroom special is that it builds a searchable index for your photography.  

For every file-- meaning every photo--that is added into your index Lightroom &lt;a href=&quot;http://thelightroomlab.com/2008/10/adobe-photoshop-lightroom-introduction/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;creates an &quot;index card&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;  Each &quot;index card&quot; records the file&#039;s name, it&#039;s location on your hard drive, all of it&#039;s metadata, and a couple of thumbnail-sized copies of the image.

Searches in Lightroom produce almost instantaneous results because the catalog keeps its own records about your images.  (See &lt;a href=&quot;http://thelightroomlab.com/2010/02/adobe-photoshop-lightroom-vs-the-adobe-bridge/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lightroom vs. Adobe Bridge&lt;/a&gt; for more details.)  Not only does the catalog produce instant search results but it can also store information that is not part of the file&#039;s metadata.  Features like the &lt;a href=&quot;http://thelightroomlab.com/2008/12/using-pick-and-reject-flags-in-lightroom/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pick / reject flags,&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://thelightroomlab.com/2008/12/reader-question-catalogs-vs-libraries-vs-folders-in-lightroom/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;collections,&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://thelightroomlab.com/2010/01/printing-in-lightroom-with-virtual-copies/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;virtual copies&lt;/a&gt; are all stored only at the catalog level.  There in&#039;t a metadata field for the name of a collection or for a virtual copy.

What I am trying to say is that we need the catalog for two reasons: a, fast searches even if the file&#039;s themselves are offline and b: to store features of the program that cannot be written into a file&#039;s metadata.

I hope this helps,

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Lisa,</p>
<p>This is confusing stuff and you are on the right track.  Metadata is any textual information added to a digital image.  </p>
<p>By converting to the Dng file format this textual information&#8211; your copyright for example&#8211;can be stored along with the raw sensor data inside of each file.  Raw files in proprietary, meaning camera brand specific, formats cannot hold this sort of text internally.  Since they can&#8217;t store the info internally these files need a sidecar xmp file, think of it as a post-it note, to hold important information.</p>
<p>This internal vs. external metadata storage is a property of the file&#8217;s themselves regardless of what image management software you use.  What makes Lightroom special is that it builds a searchable index for your photography.  </p>
<p>For every file&#8211; meaning every photo&#8211;that is added into your index Lightroom <a href="http://thelightroomlab.com/2008/10/adobe-photoshop-lightroom-introduction/" rel="nofollow">creates an &#8220;index card</a>.&#8221;  Each &#8220;index card&#8221; records the file&#8217;s name, it&#8217;s location on your hard drive, all of it&#8217;s metadata, and a couple of thumbnail-sized copies of the image.</p>
<p>Searches in Lightroom produce almost instantaneous results because the catalog keeps its own records about your images.  (See <a href="http://thelightroomlab.com/2010/02/adobe-photoshop-lightroom-vs-the-adobe-bridge/" rel="nofollow">Lightroom vs. Adobe Bridge</a> for more details.)  Not only does the catalog produce instant search results but it can also store information that is not part of the file&#8217;s metadata.  Features like the <a href="http://thelightroomlab.com/2008/12/using-pick-and-reject-flags-in-lightroom/" rel="nofollow">pick / reject flags,</a> <a href="http://thelightroomlab.com/2008/12/reader-question-catalogs-vs-libraries-vs-folders-in-lightroom/" rel="nofollow">collections,</a> and <a href="http://thelightroomlab.com/2010/01/printing-in-lightroom-with-virtual-copies/" rel="nofollow">virtual copies</a> are all stored only at the catalog level.  There in&#8217;t a metadata field for the name of a collection or for a virtual copy.</p>
<p>What I am trying to say is that we need the catalog for two reasons: a, fast searches even if the file&#8217;s themselves are offline and b: to store features of the program that cannot be written into a file&#8217;s metadata.</p>
<p>I hope this helps,</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 03:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank u David,

what i understand here is Catalog= metadata, DNG= metadata+photo. so if we have both metadata and photo in DNG file, why we need Catalog to record the metadata? sorry to confused u :d</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank u David,</p>
<p>what i understand here is Catalog= metadata, DNG= metadata+photo. so if we have both metadata and photo in DNG file, why we need Catalog to record the metadata? sorry to confused u :d</p>
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		<title>By: David Marx</title>
		<link>http://thelightroomlab.com/2009/06/converting-digital-camera-raw-files-to-the-dng-format-using-adobe-photoshop-lightroom/comment-page-1/#comment-11244</link>
		<dc:creator>David Marx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 02:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Lisa,

I am not sure that I understand your question.  This tutorial is all about how to shift your raw files into the dng format within Lightroom.  You would only use the &quot;Import as Catalog&quot; feature if you were combining one catalog into another.  Why and where are you using this option in your routine?

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David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Lisa,</p>
<p>I am not sure that I understand your question.  This tutorial is all about how to shift your raw files into the dng format within Lightroom.  You would only use the &#8220;Import as Catalog&#8221; feature if you were combining one catalog into another.  Why and where are you using this option in your routine?</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank u for this great explanation on dng files. my question is if the dng already contain all the metadata, do we still need to import as a catalog? can we just convert to dng?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank u for this great explanation on dng files. my question is if the dng already contain all the metadata, do we still need to import as a catalog? can we just convert to dng?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://thelightroomlab.com/2009/06/converting-digital-camera-raw-files-to-the-dng-format-using-adobe-photoshop-lightroom/comment-page-1/#comment-8060</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micheal W Gray published &lt;a href=&quot;http://x-equals.com/blog/?p=4191&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this excellent article on DNG conversion&lt;/a&gt; recently on the X-Equals blog.

Grant Gunderson, one of my favorite photo editors / publisher, is now accepting &quot;Dng raw files&quot; with &quot;meaningful metadata&quot; only for consideration in his magazine The Ski Journal.  I believe that we will soon see similar rules from all of the topflight publishers.  &lt;a href= &quot;http://www.theskijournal.com/pages//information/submission-guidelines&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Click here to see The Ski Journal&#039;s complete submission guidelines.&lt;/a&gt;

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David Marx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micheal W Gray published <a href="http://x-equals.com/blog/?p=4191" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this excellent article on DNG conversion</a> recently on the X-Equals blog.</p>
<p>Grant Gunderson, one of my favorite photo editors / publisher, is now accepting &#8220;Dng raw files&#8221; with &#8220;meaningful metadata&#8221; only for consideration in his magazine The Ski Journal.  I believe that we will soon see similar rules from all of the topflight publishers.  <a href= "http://www.theskijournal.com/pages//information/submission-guidelines" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Click here to see The Ski Journal&#8217;s complete submission guidelines.</a></p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
David Marx</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Rouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Rouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting issue, Andrew. If you&#039;re experiencing the problem from the Finder as well as directly from the camera, then, you&#039;re right, I&#039;m sure it&#039;s not the direct camera import that&#039;s the issue.

I prefer DNG anyway, but I know it&#039;s frustrating when things don&#039;t work the way they should.

-Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting issue, Andrew. If you&#8217;re experiencing the problem from the Finder as well as directly from the camera, then, you&#8217;re right, I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s not the direct camera import that&#8217;s the issue.</p>
<p>I prefer DNG anyway, but I know it&#8217;s frustrating when things don&#8217;t work the way they should.</p>
<p>-Scott</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Carswell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Carswell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, I&#039;ve been importing directly from the camera.  I assumed the problem was not related to this as transferring NEF files around in Finder also causes the same problem to arise.  As I say, now that conversion to DNG format seems to have resolved the issue I&#039;ll stick to that format and ditch the NEF files once converted.  That said, I&#039;ve heard from other sources that a card reader is more reliable than the a direct import from the camera and I think I&#039;ll use one from now on to be on the safe side.

Thanks,

Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, I&#8217;ve been importing directly from the camera.  I assumed the problem was not related to this as transferring NEF files around in Finder also causes the same problem to arise.  As I say, now that conversion to DNG format seems to have resolved the issue I&#8217;ll stick to that format and ditch the NEF files once converted.  That said, I&#8217;ve heard from other sources that a card reader is more reliable than the a direct import from the camera and I think I&#8217;ll use one from now on to be on the safe side.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Rouse</title>
		<link>http://thelightroomlab.com/2009/06/converting-digital-camera-raw-files-to-the-dng-format-using-adobe-photoshop-lightroom/comment-page-1/#comment-6336</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Rouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-6028&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Leslie&lt;/a&gt;:

Thanks for you comment.  As a teacher, I keep a lot of my mistakes, as well. However, I see students time and again who have unmanageable catalogs due to the sheer volume of mediocre images. One of the most frequent mistakes made by amateurs when showing their work is that they flip through image after image of bad shots muttering the mantra &quot;Ok, there&#039;s a good one coming up here somewhere...&quot;

Anyone who&#039;s sat through a slideshow of someone&#039;s vacation pics can attest to that!  :-)



&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-6321&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Andrew&lt;/a&gt;:

I&#039;ve not run into that issue before.  Were you importing straight from the camera or were you using a card reader? Although an import with the camera plugged directly into the computer &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; work, I always recommend using a memory card reader. They are typically &lt;strong&gt;much&lt;/strong&gt; faster and can reduce the (already low) likelihood of damage to your camera from a USB power issue.

-Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-6028" rel="nofollow">@Leslie</a>:</p>
<p>Thanks for you comment.  As a teacher, I keep a lot of my mistakes, as well. However, I see students time and again who have unmanageable catalogs due to the sheer volume of mediocre images. One of the most frequent mistakes made by amateurs when showing their work is that they flip through image after image of bad shots muttering the mantra &#8220;Ok, there&#8217;s a good one coming up here somewhere&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyone who&#8217;s sat through a slideshow of someone&#8217;s vacation pics can attest to that!  <img src='http://thelightroomlab.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="#comment-6321" rel="nofollow">@Andrew</a>:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not run into that issue before.  Were you importing straight from the camera or were you using a card reader? Although an import with the camera plugged directly into the computer <em>should</em> work, I always recommend using a memory card reader. They are typically <strong>much</strong> faster and can reduce the (already low) likelihood of damage to your camera from a USB power issue.</p>
<p>-Scott</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Carswell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Carswell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a NIkon D80 and for the last six months when importing images in NEF format to my Mac through Lightroom 2.x or Finder after around 10% have been imported the computer freezes indefinitely and would not allow a forced quit.  That corrupted the Lightroom database and meant retrieving the backup.  The work around was to only import a very small number at a time - tedious.  

This morning, before calling Apple again(!) I tried converting to DNG on import and bingo, no problem.  Has anybody else experienced this problem on a Mac with NEF files?  I think I&#039;ll stick to DNG in the meantime though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a NIkon D80 and for the last six months when importing images in NEF format to my Mac through Lightroom 2.x or Finder after around 10% have been imported the computer freezes indefinitely and would not allow a forced quit.  That corrupted the Lightroom database and meant retrieving the backup.  The work around was to only import a very small number at a time &#8211; tedious.  </p>
<p>This morning, before calling Apple again(!) I tried converting to DNG on import and bingo, no problem.  Has anybody else experienced this problem on a Mac with NEF files?  I think I&#8217;ll stick to DNG in the meantime though!</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 19:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree that you should only keep your best photos. I love looking at my bad photos because I can see how I&#039;ve grown and / or what didn&#039;t work. Also, if I ever want to create a book on how to photograph, it&#039;s nice to have examples of what didn&#039;t work, or progression of how the shoot went. In addition, some photo&#039;s I take of my dogs, family, vacation may not be works of art, but have great memories. 

I have read of photographers having another catalog that is just their best takes. That may be a good option so you don&#039;t have the outtakes cluttering up the final picks in a catalog.

I do of course edit out the really bad, totally blurred, over/under exposed, etc.

That&#039;s my 2 cents. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree that you should only keep your best photos. I love looking at my bad photos because I can see how I&#8217;ve grown and / or what didn&#8217;t work. Also, if I ever want to create a book on how to photograph, it&#8217;s nice to have examples of what didn&#8217;t work, or progression of how the shoot went. In addition, some photo&#8217;s I take of my dogs, family, vacation may not be works of art, but have great memories. </p>
<p>I have read of photographers having another catalog that is just their best takes. That may be a good option so you don&#8217;t have the outtakes cluttering up the final picks in a catalog.</p>
<p>I do of course edit out the really bad, totally blurred, over/under exposed, etc.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my 2 cents. <img src='http://thelightroomlab.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Scott Rouse</title>
		<link>http://thelightroomlab.com/2009/06/converting-digital-camera-raw-files-to-the-dng-format-using-adobe-photoshop-lightroom/comment-page-1/#comment-5407</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Rouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bettie,

Yes, as long as the &lt;a href=&quot;http://thelightroomlab.com/2009/05/the-mega-important-automatically-write-changes-into-xmp-switch/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Automatically Write Changes to XMP checkbox is checked&lt;/a&gt; (or you save changes to your files), the metadata is written to the DNG file. No more sidecar files.

For me, it&#039;s certainly the best solution.

-Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bettie,</p>
<p>Yes, as long as the <a href="http://thelightroomlab.com/2009/05/the-mega-important-automatically-write-changes-into-xmp-switch/" rel="nofollow">Automatically Write Changes to XMP checkbox is checked</a> (or you save changes to your files), the metadata is written to the DNG file. No more sidecar files.</p>
<p>For me, it&#8217;s certainly the best solution.</p>
<p>-Scott</p>
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		<title>By: Bettie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bettie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So when you make any changes to the metadata, it is updated in the DNG file format? This all seems much more simple and organized than the CR2 format. I have lost edits because of sidecars not getting written or not exporting properly. I am nearly convinced this is the best route to go...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So when you make any changes to the metadata, it is updated in the DNG file format? This all seems much more simple and organized than the CR2 format. I have lost edits because of sidecars not getting written or not exporting properly. I am nearly convinced this is the best route to go&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Rouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Rouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos, Mike, for being aggressive in deleting those rejects. A good photographer not only takes good photos, but keeps his or her collection of images pared down to only the best.

-Scott

PS-I&#039;m not that great at it yet. I could use some work on narrowing down my library!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos, Mike, for being aggressive in deleting those rejects. A good photographer not only takes good photos, but keeps his or her collection of images pared down to only the best.</p>
<p>-Scott</p>
<p>PS-I&#8217;m not that great at it yet. I could use some work on narrowing down my library!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike K. in Venice, CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike K. in Venice, CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DNG all the way for me. Although, I do have Lightroom keep a copy of the original RAW files in a separate folder I have never had to go back to those files.  Knowing I have that backup lets me be extra aggressive when rejecting photos out of my catalog (I tell LR to delete them off the filesystem as well).</description>
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